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mutator
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| You want me to give you the wad I work on? it has all the stuff you need, you want to PM me? |
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Memfis
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 22:01:59 | |
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| Excuse me, but who are you and who gave you the right to use the Whitemare name? You can't just appear out of nowhere and act like you own the Whitemare "brand". It seems like you don't even understand the spirit of the series as it's always been about the classic Doom format rather than the ZDoom format. I'm sorry, but I don't believe you're qualified to lead a project like this. At the very least pick a different name and make it clear that this is a separate wad that has nothing to do with our series. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 22:34:50 | |
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Memfis
Before I used this name I asked around if I have permission and everyone seemed okay with it..Plus, this is community project therefore I am not the one leading it, I want the iddqd community to participate with me, I use zdoom format because I use snow trees and I couldn't make it work with classic doom format. |
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Memfis
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:05:14 | |
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Everyone = who?
| mutator: | | this is community project therefore I am not the one leading it |
Every community project has a leader who decides which maps are good enough to be accepted, suggests improvements, etc. It's a responsible position that should be taken only by someone who knows his stuff really well, and...
| mutator: | | I use zdoom format because I use snow trees and I couldn't make it work with classic doom format |
judging by this you clearly don't. :Р |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:08:03 | |
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| DragonHunter is okay with it, he was the project leader of whitemare 2. If you are really certain that you don't want me to do this then I'll change the name but you came off too hard on me saying "who gave me the right and permission" when before I started this I talked about this around the forum. I also talked to maker of whitemare 1 |
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Memfis
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:13:30 | |
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I don't remember who did most of the work on Whitemare 2, was it really Dragon Hunter? In any case, that's just one person, clearly not enough to "hijack" a famous series like ours.
Look, I believe that you have best intentions in mind and that you're passionate about the Whitemare series, but honestly I think you simply don't have enough experience and reputation required for something like this. Anyway, if you change the name and make it clear that this is not a part of the Whitemare series, I will stop bothering you. And I haven't seen your previous messages. Sorry if I sounded too harsh. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:14:50 | |
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| Okay I will change the name but what experience are we talking about here? Because I am not really new to mapping, do you mean being project leader or just experience as in map making? |
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Memfis
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:17:52 | |
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| Thanks for understanding. I've never heard about you before so I just assumed you must be relatively new. If you have something good to show, that would be interesting to see and it would make you look more credible as a leader. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:29:05 | |
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| Yes I have made some maps but most of them were just for me play because I was hiding all the maps I created. I could add more details in them like I did now but back then I wasn't very serious with mapping as I never thought of making them public release. I have been making maps for 12 years and ever since whitemare 1 wad it catched my interest to make another series for it eventually but I am not russian guy and if people are okay with it still then I can keep the name same but if you still want me to change the name I won't say no to that. Only reason why I thought of whitemare 3 was because whitemare 2 megawad was too good to be left alone for 4 years so I felt like russian community should have enough wad to play with. Do you want to play the 2 of the maps I finished for this project to see if they are good enough to play? I will give you through PM if you want but how many maps you would like to play? |
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TheTaintedSlav
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:53:06 | |
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Dude... you gave up too early, really.
You don't need to abandon your project. Just rename it into "Sibernautic Adventura" and it will be okay. I promice. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 05.05.18 23:55:57 | |
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CWolf
I wanted this to be part of whitemare and no one is okay with it except for few so I don't want to continue it anymore. |
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[LeD]Jake Crusher
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 00:04:18 | |
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mutator
Hold on for a moment, don't make rash decisions yet, please. Just because Memfis voiced his doubts, there's no point of dropping the project.
If I were you, I would have asked all guys present here, who were involved with Whitemares, and ask their opinions. Maybe they will advise you something.
| Memfis: | | right to use the Whitemare name? |
Что, простите? |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 00:07:29 | |
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[LeD]Jake Crusher
I know but what else I can do? if most people are not okay with the current name use then the situation would get worse. I don't want to be in trouble for using name that people don't want me to use :/ come on chat if you want so we can talk there |
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TheTaintedSlav
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 00:08:55 | |
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| mutator: | | I wanted this to be part of whitemare |
Then call it Whitream. Same, but from other side of coin.
| mutator: | | no one is okay with it except for few so I don't want to continue it anymore. |
And that's just dumb. Just because of Memfis said his opinion on your intentions it doesn't mean you should abandon everything. Don't act like a child, damnit. Be a MAN, FUCK.
Also. I want to join too. And I may help ya with snow trees but this project will need to back to its roots. To Boom map format. Trust me it totally worth it. |
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MyNameIs
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 00:10:29 | |
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so, what was the main reason behind this?
i thought you wanted to make a cool megawad, and now it looks like the point was "hey, that's a famous title, i want this title to associate with me!"
not cool |
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TheTaintedSlav
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 00:23:51 | |
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| MyNameIs: | | so, what was the main reason behind this? |
Пацану понравился Вайтмир, он хотел продолжить серию, собрав супир-дупир мэппиров Дум-Пауэра и заявить загнивающему ДВ\ЗДуму "Эй, смотрите, русские опять выпустили Вайтмир, и я в нем участвовал, я его даже начал и привлек их в проект так что он тоталли ЛИДЖИТ МАЗАФАКА!!!"... ну, это я так вижу. Так что да, тут получается обе причины. Он хотел охерительный мегавад, и в то же время чтобы люди вспоминали его по участию в нем. Хоть какому-то. |
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StasBFG[iddqd]
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 01:09:25 | |
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| Это комьюнити прожект, и решаться такие вещи должны коллективно. Название не принадлежит кому-то одному, оно наше общее, мы здесь должны прийти к согласию, должен ли это быть Whitemare 3 или называться по-другому. На данном этапе - название не главное, я считаю. Поскольку мутатор теперь тоже часть комьюнити - он имеет право участвовать в таких проектах. Ведь давно ничего подобного не было, и не было бы ещё долго, так хоть какая-то движуха пошла, столько обсуждения уже - значит людям это интересно. Ему даже необязательно быть маппером, чтобы вести такие крупные проекты. Если окажется что мапы он делает фиговые или не умеет что-то делать под ваниль/бум - можно будет заменить его карты на другие, как решат думеры. Прогнать и закрыть проект всегда успеем, он же показал свою решительность, уже хорошо - пусть делает, будем помогать, участвовать в обсуждении, разработке или просто кидать идеи и предложения. |
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TheTaintedSlav
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 01:40:22 | |
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| StasBFG[iddqd]: | | Это комьюнити прожект, и решаться такие вещи должны коллективно. Название не принадлежит кому-то одному, оно наше общее, мы здесь должны прийти к согласию, должен ли это быть Whitemare 3 или называться по-другому. |
Я с этим согласен. Проблема только в том что надо ещё как-то связаться с теми кто прикладывал к оригинальным Вайтмарам руку, потому как по большему счета решать подобное им.
| StasBFG[iddqd]: | | На данном этапе - название не главное, я считаю. |
С этим я согласен тоже. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 02:30:32 | |
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MyNameIs
that wasn't my intention when I was thinking of whitemare 3 title.. I would care less if title is famous or less famous |
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MyNameIs
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 04:10:14 | |
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that's really dumb reason to throw away a project then
and really strange..
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 04:25:58 | |
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MyNameIs
Yeah it's dumb and strange when you don't understand  |
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Dragon Hunter
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 09:07:36 | |
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There seems to be a misunderstanding. I did not give direct permission to use the brand, because It's not just for me to decide, but I supported the idea of collective activity and enthusiasm.
We need to promote this product together with our mappers. I think this is a compromise solution. But for Whitemare 3 we have done only a couple of speedmaps... |
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Void Weaver
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 09:28:37 | |
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| MyNameIs: | | that's really dumb reason to throw away a project then |
Agree. Just incredibly odd reason...
mutator
Couldn't you just call it as WhitemOre, for example? It's sounds like Whitemare without nighmare, with a LOTS of white instead!
And then in description will been wrote something like: "This mod is spiritual descendant of the famous Whitemare project series and blah-blah-blah". |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 06.05.18 09:54:55 | |
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Dragon Hunter
I am getting trouble using this name for the megawad so you want to be the project leader? If you are leader no one will want or request name change since you already made whitemare 2 with no trouble. If you start it I can submit the maps that I already completed and give it to you |
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TheTaintedSlav
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| Отправлено: 07.05.18 07:52:02 | |
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| Пацаны, вы сломали топик стартера. Он долбанулся и теперь даже меня не слышит. Объясните ему доходчиво чому вы не хотите дать ему пользоваться именем Whitemare. Я заепся. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 07.05.18 08:06:44 | |
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CWolf
Dude, don't worry about it I will give the project leader position to someone else that everyone give permission to and carry on with mapping, only difference will be is that I won't be the leader anymore but I'll still help out where I can I just won't be the leader so I CAN keep the name as is |
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Void Weaver
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| Отправлено: 08.05.18 03:16:18 | |
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Несмотря на то что данная драма вокруг Вайтмэ меня абсолютно не касается, I'll put in my two cents' worth:
First of all, dear mutator, I think that you should honestly determine for yourself is using of "Whitemare" brand essential (AND for what reason) or not.
If it so, then:
1. You must try to gather all opinions of creators the Whitemare series by
a) sending private messages to Wmare creators about your initiative;
b) and opening the poll thread, where is will be reflected your argues and opinions of all Wm mappers.
2. In depends on the results you have to choose - to take into account the opinions or not:
a) your initiative will be approved - nuff said;
b) your initiative will not be approved AND you would accord with it. In that case just change the project's name (with allusion maybe) and continue to working.
c) your initiative will not be approved AND you wouldn't accord with it. In that case just continue work under "Whitemare 3", and since it isn't real patented brand name you will haven't got any legality issues, BUT highly likely rhat your reputation will be harmed in case of this choice.
But if the "Whitemare" brand isn't essential for you (for the moment at least), just keep working under random "dev name"; as StasBFG have wrote: | StasBFG[iddqd]: | | На данном этапе - название не главное, я считаю. |
What's mean "At this stage of the project, its name isn't substantial, I guess" literaly. And I totally agree with it.
Just don't make a mountain out of a molehill. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 08.05.18 14:38:04 | |
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Void Weaver
If I give my position to someone else that everyone approve for the name I like the most then everything will work out good, I am giving away my position to someone else that people will not question or be against like they are now. If they want to take the project leader position I'm more than happy to give it and still make maps for the project but just won't be the project leader to the whitemare 3 wad |
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Kirov-13
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| Отправлено: 09.05.18 01:17:58 | |
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Запилите "официальный мини-сиквел" и не парьтесь  |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 09.05.18 04:24:24 | |
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Kirov-13
Can you help me find the new leader? |
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Anto96WS
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| Отправлено: 09.05.18 12:12:19 | |
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| CWolf: | | Объясните ему доходчиво чому вы не хотите дать ему пользоваться именем Whitemare. Я заепся. |
Я пытаюсь, но объясните сначала мне  |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 09.05.18 13:45:42 | |
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| This project is no longer whitemare, name has been changed! |
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lafoxxx [B0S]
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| Отправлено: 09.05.18 15:40:27 | |
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mutator
Great to see you and your project back!  |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 09.05.18 15:43:47 | |
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lafoxxx [B0S]
Yeah I don't care if I didn't get enough support or permission with whitemare name, I won't help to make whitemare map as they don't want me to do |
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Void Weaver
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| Отправлено: 10.05.18 18:07:14 | |
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| mutator, can you say whose of RDC members is involved in your project now? Just curious. |
Рейтинг сообщения: +1, отметил(и): JSO x |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 10.05.18 21:47:13 | |
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Void Weaver
Everyone that wants to join in |
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Void Weaver
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| Отправлено: 11.05.18 00:26:10 | |
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| mutator: | | Everyone that wants to join in |
. . . 0_o I mean, who from RDC ALREADY does maps for your project?
Чё-т напомнило. |
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mutator
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| Отправлено: 11.05.18 03:32:22 | |
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| Anto wants I think and there was 2 other people that wanted to make a map as well but I am not sure if they are still wanting |
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